It's even worse than you think

Joe Biden made more policy progress on climate change than any president in history, so it might not have been crazy to think what he accomplished would be difficult to unwind - or that Donald Trump might not put too much effort into it. But if that's what you thought, you were wrong.

Paul is joined by Jillian Goodman, deputy editor of Heatmap.news, to examine the damage Trump is doing and consider what makes policy change durable and what makes it vulnerable. The news isn't good.